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The Overuse of Non-Words as Conversation Filler; alternatively … Does Anyone Actually Drink Eggnog?  

VenusRedux2 49F
277 posts
12/20/2018 7:25 am
The Overuse of Non-Words as Conversation Filler; alternatively … Does Anyone Actually Drink Eggnog?





Merely throwing words on the screen isn’t going to make great conversation magically fall out.

Doubly reprehensible for throwing non-words on the screen.

So get out of your boring and lame conversations and start making an impression by eliminating needless word fluff.





Look at his conversation and take particular note of the timestamps:

7:08 What are you up to today?
7:09 Nothing, just relaxing on the couch watching tv
7:09 lol
7:11 It’s cold out, it’s a good day to stay in
7:11 Yeah
7:13 What are you watching?
7:13 A documentary about the Andrea Doria sinking
7:13 lol
7:16 Is it any good?
7:17 It’s alright
7:17 lol
7:22 What do you do for a living?
7:22 Manager in a retail store
7:23 You like it?
7:24 It pays the bills
7:24 lol
7:27 I work for a roofing contractor
7:28 must be slow for you this time of year
7:29 rotflmao
7:30 yeah
… crickets
7:38 Would you like to meet?
7:41 Thanks, but I don’t know you
7:42 lol
7:44 But how can you know me unless we meet?
7:47 I’m sorry to be blunt, but this is not going to work

This was a friggin 40 minute conversation!!!

The only thing fast about this conversation was how quickly it went nowhere.

Let’s start with a discussion about LOL. It isn’t a word. Let me repeat that, it isn’t a word! It is meant to convey your reaction to what was said. Personally, I don’t quibble about whether or not anyone actually laughed out loud, I accept that, in the digital world, it is the socially accepted way of indicating that you found the statement amusing.

Here’s the problem though, look at that conversation, was anything said that was funny?

Look again.

And again.

It’s just not there.

The constant laughing is not appropriate to the situation. So you end up coming across as a demented psychopath. Am I having a conversation with the Joker?

You know what it sounds like on my end of the conversation?

7:08 What are you up to today?
7:09 Nothing, just relaxing on the couch watching tv
7:09 ... OMG! I’M TALKING TO A GIRL! THIS IS AMAZING! THIS SITE ROCKS!
7:09 ... Don’t blow this, play it cool…

7:09 lol
7:09 ... Damn I’m smooth!
7:10
7:11 ...
7:11 ... Oh no! She’s not responding. Quick, come up with something else to say before she loses interest!
7:11 ... Umm…

7:11 It’s cold out, it’s a good day to stay in
7:11... Oh God, please let her response be something I can turn into something sexual ... and maybe I shouldn’t bring God into this …

Confident men simply don't sound like this. Losers sound like this. Don't be that guy.

There’s no mystery as to what’s going on here. This is what’s known as conversation filler or word fluff. He doesn’t know how to respond, so he’s throwing text on the screen to fill in the silence.

He’s trying to give me an opening to say something. But instead of coming across as polite, it comes across as conversationally lazy. What he’s ultimately doing, intentionally or not, is hoping I’m going to get the conversation going for him. It’s trying to make it my fault for him having nothing to say. Look, if you started the conversation, then you’re driving the car … so drive! Don’t wait on me to do it for you.

Worse yet, this is the worst type of word fluff … it’s not even using words. It’s lazy. Do you really think anyone here is impressed by your knowledge and use of text abbreviations?

It doesn’t give me anything to respond to. It is a conversational dead end. Little wonder I don’t say anything. I have no other choice but to wait for you to say more.

So guess what I do?

That’s right, I sit there and wait for you to say something more.

Again, notice the timestamps. It’s taking him 2 to 3 minutes to come up with something to say. And what he does come up with is hardly scintillating. It’s not progressing the conversation, it’s just wasting time hoping something interesting magically falls out.

At this point, there is no way to salvage the conversation. Too much time got wasted saying, quite literally, nothing.

So what should you do? That’s the million dollar question.

Understand that the “introductory” questions (how are you, what are you up to today, what’s new, etc) are likely to get vague and unspecific responses. You need to be ready to roll with that. When you get the single most expected response of all time, don’t get confused.

Don’t linger too long on the parts neither of you want to talk about. Instead plan ahead for things to immediately jump to that will be more interesting. You don’t even need a good segue. Just do it. It actually comes across smoother than you think.

7:08 What are you up to today?
7:09 Nothing, just relaxing on the couch watching tv
7:10 I would suggest relaxing with some eggnog, but does anyone actually drink eggnog?

This is already vastly more interesting than any of the above conversation, and we haven’t even gotten to the juicy parts yet.



40Deuce 46M
5725 posts
12/21/2018 11:27 am

I'm mildly confused on what you're trying to accomplish . I guess you want to have a non-boring conversation but don't you want boring people to be boring so you know they're boring and don't waste your time ? By telling people how to seem interesting you're just setting yourself up to waste time with boring people pretending to be interesting .

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VenusRedux2 replies on 12/21/2018 2:40 pm:
I said this once a long time ago ... the problem I have with this site isn't that men here are sleazy (some are, but they're a minority). The problem is that they're boring beyond words.

Most guys are genuinely nice guys. Most guys have things about themselves worth being proud of. Most guys are worth knowing.

I just can't get far enough into the conversation to appreciate that! And honestly, I'd like to.

I love ballroom dancing. As a woman, to have a man lead you ... like a man who knows what he's doing and lead you with ease and grace ... damn, I get wet just thinking about it. No one thinks less of a guy's skill because he learned it as opposed to it coming natural. It's just damn hot that he has it!

And ... well ... if I'm being honest, I also wanted to see if my skills were up to the challenge. It's not right to hate on men for not having the skills I myself don't have. It was almost scary how successful I was ("damn, I'm catfishing other women, didn't think I'd have enough success for this to be an issue, I don't have an endgame here, better come up with one quick")

Owatalife 67M
1711 posts
12/20/2018 11:40 am

You are absolutely right about folks using nonsense in online conversations when just proper words would work so much better. Speaking of fluff, I once watched a very enjoyable movie called " The Fluffer " highly recommend it.

Can't say I've ever been much of a fan of Eggnog.


VenusRedux2 replies on 12/20/2018 12:18 pm:
Those be fighting words mister! Evan Williams makes a cheap enough eggnog that's good. Don't know if its any better or worse than any other brand, but I like it. It's just so thick and creamy, nice and sweet. It's like a milkshake for adults.

FresnoWoman 53F
883 posts
12/20/2018 11:26 am

"lol" is way overused, and it's not meant to be used at the end of every single sentence!

Somewhat related, I remember hanging out on Yahoo Chat a long time ago, when it was cool. One day, a guy messaged me, said, "Hello how ru" or something like that. I said, "Fine." There was a long pause, then he asked, "Why aren't you talking?"

I answered, "Why did you start this chat if you have nothing to say? I'm not going to carry the conversation for you. So don't message women if you have nothing to say."

I could go for a mug of eggnog now. Yum.


VenusRedux2 replies on 12/20/2018 12:12 pm:
That's my biggest pet peeve online ... whoever starts the conversation accepts the burden to carry the conversation! Shirking that social responsibility is a sign of insecurity and poor social development. In other words, men we're not looking for.

superbjversion2 68F  
24388 posts
12/20/2018 10:09 am

I could come up with several different reasons for the time delay - site glitches, slow typist, multi-chatter, his mom called - but the mental vacuity stands on its own.

Well said.

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VenusRedux2 replies on 12/20/2018 11:33 am:
Thanks. I think women are accustomed to the usual glitches in the system. There's never an excuse for an entire conversation of low-effort responses, many of which don't follow from what was just said. Lag can at least be forgiven.

HAMONMAN 64M
13128 posts
12/20/2018 8:53 am

LOL


22hungry4u 64M
13 posts
12/20/2018 8:28 am

I LOVE eggnog!!!! Makes me sleep great!

Your commentary is 100% on point!


VenusRedux2 replies on 12/20/2018 8:43 am:
Sure beats that pumpkin spice crap that everyone seems to love this time of year. Glad you liked the post

VenusRedux2 49F
557 posts
12/20/2018 7:47 am

Personally, I like eggnog. I don't get the hate.


Rwefuckin 50M

12/20/2018 7:42 am

The LOL was a reach especially when you only mentioned you were watching a documentary. This person could have said any number of things to get the conversation going. If you are unable to grab someone's attention within the first minute or two on this site, you might as well forget about. The crickets probably took place for any number of reasons. I know the HotMatch.com IM isn't the greatest and there is a lag on receiving messages. You cant go from indicating what you do for a living to asking to meet. At least you let him know this isn't going to work.


VenusRedux2 replies on 12/20/2018 7:52 am:
That's EXACTLY it. There is only a limited window of time to make an impression. After that it is Game Over. An impression need not be so dramatic as to be called scintillating at this stage, but awkwardness is Women Repellent In A Can.

My experience is that lag can be forgiven if the conversation is intriguing. Women can easily sense when the guy is responsive or if he is struggling.

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