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Lion and hyena  

40Deuce 46M
4633 posts
3/20/2019 6:07 pm

Last Read:
3/24/2019 12:44 pm

Lion and hyena


For million years lions and hyenas have done vicious battle neither one able to gain the upper hand . But soon thanks to humanity they will know peace in the blessed calm of extinction .

Sometimes I forgot how much some people are afraid of the police . A lady was talking about being pulled over and someone was telling her that the reason she got pulled over was bullshit and she said "I just didn't want it to turn into a MeToo moment" . The person talking to them is a real human rights nut so they kept trying to tell her about what she should have done in that situation and she followed up by saying "I just wanted to get out of there without getting my pussy grabbed . Tits and ass I can handle but not the pussy ."

Seemed a little beyond the pale to me but then not the type who needs to worry about being hassled by the police nor getting grabbed for the most part so what do I know ?

Today for work I read the final police report and some other documents about the driverless Uber in Arizona that killed a woman . If you believe the police report (see above) the final analysis is that the car detected the woman but it the program that allowed it to brake in emergencies was turned off . Why ? because it was breaking too much - as programmed it would break for birds and squirrels and the like . A woman was in the car for just such scenarios but she failed to react . She had 1.29 seconds to do so .

Since this incident a man has been arrested for pointing a firearm at a driverless van and many people have been observed shouting and throwing rocks at driverless cars .

A bill to allow autonomous cars in Iowa without a driver passed the House recently and is expected to pass the Senate .

The fact that the car was stopping for birds and squirrels made me think about the 1st law of robotics -

A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm

I never thought about it before but if we do start to have robots running around it's going to have to be more than humans - you don't want your robot butler to step on your dachshund . So there will have to be some rules about not harming living beings . But that's going to make things real tricky because you don't want your robot to hurt your pet but if an angry mastiff runs at you you certainly want your robot to stop it .

And for that matter there's going to have to be a hierarchy . Obviously the robots will be programmed to save humans over anything else but how does that ranking work ? What if it has to choose between a valuable heifer and someone's beloved family dog ? Who's going to make those rules ? Should it always attack bears ? Or only if it a bear is threatening a human ? Aren't bears threatening by nature ? What about beavers ? Generally not an issue but they've killed people from time to time .

Is there a conversion ? Is a herd of horses going to be saved over a housecat but one cat beats one ? What if it's a racehorse that won the Belmont Stakes ?

People worry about robots for a lot of reasons , some more legitimate than other , but the only thing that really bothers me is that they're programmed by people and people don't have a clue what they're doing .

About 18 months ago I wrote up an outline for a movie where hackers (a word everyone in IT hates) take control of autonomous cars and demand bitcoin or they're ram them into heavily populated buildings . I think it was actually a pretty good idea for a movie (he said humbly) but there was no ending .

But I had never thought of his driverless cars in terms of the three laws before . So now the ending would be that all the other cars see that humans are in trouble and they come to the rescue - boxing in the compromised cars and slowing them down and bringing them to a halt like a pack of hyenas attacking a kongoni . A maneuver that only the machine like precision of autonomous cars would pull off .

Will technology save us or destroy ? Both of course .

I, Robot was not a great movie but I did like the scene where all the old obsolete robots try to protect the humans from the evil new robots because they are programmed with the three laws . I generally am able to avoid anthropomorphizing or sympathizing with machines but that scene got me a little bit .

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smartasswoman 66F  
35813 posts
3/20/2019 6:49 pm

It's hard for me to imagine that they'll be able to figure out the ethical wrinkles to everyone's satisfaction.

The example I heard on a podcast where they were talking about this, was what if five people are crossing the road and the only way to not hit them is for the car to crash into a concrete wall, thereby killing the passenger? From a straight math standpoint 5 pedestrians > 1 passenger, but I don't think car owners want to buy a machine that might kill them.

That Arizona scenario is pretty scary though, that the braking was turned off and the human monitor was probably texting or looking at Instagram.


40Deuce replies on 3/22/2019 7:14 pm:
I doubt that will stop them from being sold

superbjversion2 69F  
24388 posts
3/20/2019 7:39 pm

Your movie idea would make a good RoboCop sequel

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40Deuce replies on 3/22/2019 7:15 pm:
Maybe , but what I really want to do is canon weld the original RoboCop with the new one

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