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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
11/13/2016 6:14 pm

    Quoting LiveLifeDoU:
    My son, daughter in law and I were talking about this just a few hours ago. My daughter in law is studying international politics at the UW and knows a lot about US history and politics as well so she is a wealth of information. She was reading outloud from somewhere about civil war. I don't usually speak up but I did this time, as I have quite a lot since Trump was elected. I told them that it feels like this country may be headed for a Civil War, if things go the way Trump wants them to go...could it really come to a civil war? Like you said, kzoo....those of us willing to put our voices, our bodies, our freedoms and even our lives on the line to form that barracade around people targeted by this hatred. I hope it does not come to more than just our voices and our bodies in protest....I hope there are enough sane people in power who would listen to the masses protesting and do something positive before it got real bad. We all need to be vigilant, let our voices be heard...do not sit back and hope it goes away. Even on this site, we have seen that does not work.
    Thank you for you blog, kzoo ^5
We have never been so divided or at odds in my lifetime. I do think it's the worst since the Civil War.

I'm hoping to see you too in January!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
11/13/2016 6:17 pm

    Quoting HamburgDave2:
    Well said Bill, i have to echo the thoughts of Spunkycumfun as far as this side of the pond is concerened! I was discusted, to see Nigel Farage being interviewed outside Trump Towers. This racist who failed to win a seat in the British Parliament, being the first British (Politician) to make contact with Trump
    I thank God, he is not my President
Dave, I thank God you don't have to suffer this fool too. We have to put the pressure on them. We have to obstruct and dent and slow them down at every opportunity. If they succeed at half the carnage they have planned it'll take us years, maybe decades, to undo the damage.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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11/13/2016 6:20 pm

    Quoting tickles4us:
    Well done.

    You know how I feel. One of the places we need to start vote wise is to change or eliminate the Electoral College at the state level. Make it a more proportional system if we can't get rid of it all together.

    Hate crime laws need to be enforced vigorously before they overturn that legislation or just choose to ignore it.
Thanks, Ducks! I do know how you feel, Comrade Tickles. We gotta organize!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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11/13/2016 6:25 pm

    Quoting lindoboy100:
    Shame, we should all be ashamed. Shame on us all for allowing this to happen. Now let's make ourselves proud again by fighting back!

    You know my feelings on this wretched outcome.......
I do know your feelings, my friend. I might not have posted this without your encouragement. Win or lose, we're going to try to find ways to make noise and fight back.

This is a calamity of historical proportions, and I didn't even touch on the orangutan's stupidity, short attention span or incompetence. This is the mother of all train wrecks.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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11/13/2016 6:25 pm

    Quoting lindoboy100:
    Shame, we should all be ashamed. Shame on us all for allowing this to happen. Now let's make ourselves proud again by fighting back!

    You know my feelings on this wretched outcome.......

    Great post McPairs!
Thanks, Lindo!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
11/13/2016 6:39 pm

    Quoting  :

My friend, I think we're more than ready for a woman president- past due, in fact. The media and the right wing have been doing a job of character assassination on Clinton since she first appeared on the national scene. I freely admit she was a flawed candidate. She was flawed by thirty years of bashing up against a sexist network of good ole boys and media attention whores who were interested in nothing more than sensationalist conflict. Clinton played their game and she beat them at it until this final battle. Whatever mistakes she made she has nothing to apologize for. No man would ever have been taken so hard o task for the paltry sins she may have committed. Hillary Clinton won this election. And Trump was right- the election WAS rigged, and he knew it, because he, the Republican Party and Vladimir Putin were rigging it.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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11/13/2016 6:48 pm

    Quoting sexysixties2:
    I have just commented on Lindo's blog about this. I find it very hard to express my feelings.....except to say that I am shocked, horrified and disgusted. Everyone must show that they will not be used by this man. His values must not become the norm in your land. I pray for you for I think it will get worse....much worse before it gets better.
They'll do everything in their power to make it worse- they've promised to do so and we've seen their work so we should take them at their word. We can take heart though that Trump is a minority president. His team played the electoral game like card counters at blackjack and they won't care a bit at how or why they won. But the fact is, Clinton won this election. Never forget that she got more votes for the office of president than anyone but Barack Obama. Seen in that way, we don't look quite so vile suddenly. In the last three national elections, a black man and a woman out performed everyone.

That's the ray of sunlight in all this, along with the fact that young men and women resoundingly repudiated misogyny and racism with their votes.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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11/13/2016 9:52 pm

    Quoting Discretewizard:
    "erstwhile con man". He conned the media into coverage, he conned the people to vote for him.

    They'll learn he is not who they think he is.
I'm not convinced that they don't already know he isn't who they thought he was. I think they delivered a big "Fuck you!" to the rest of the country.

I also think Bernie could have won this election and the electoral college and now we're in deep shit.

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KItkat1415 61F  
20051 posts
11/13/2016 11:41 pm

KZoo,
You expressed yourself beautifully and passionately on this post.
Don't ever change.
While I have regained my optimism and will try to find the spot between "NOT MY PRESIDENT" and "MY PRESIDENT"I will work in the system and outside the system to not let the bad things predicted, come to pass.
It is NOT a done deal,
Kk

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08540Tantrafun 60M  
1072 posts
11/14/2016 8:20 am

[image]
Should see some of the other pics.

Bill, you and I agree on the solutions that plague our country. But I disagree with you on Trump. The picture above is that of our first lady. When asked about threesomes, his response was "doesn't everybody, have them"?No doubt he is a lout and a vulgarian. His son in law Jarred is an orthodox Jew. His daughter converted to Judaism. He is a narcissist, not a Nazi. He is a New York liberal like Bloomberg pretending to be a Conservative. They play to win. Truman Capote was one of his closest friends. He already put same sex marriage to bed. He said that supreme court already settled it and that's that. End of story. Obama deported 2.8 milion people. He has another 1.9 Mil with criminal record waiting for deportation. He will deport the people on Obama's list and call it a great success.

I am delighted that he blew up the republican as well as democratic establishment. Had Hillary won, Sanders and Warren would have been just nuisance to be tolerated. Now they are the New Democrats(The establishment). Bush and Clinton dynasty is in a coma. No coronation thanks to Trump and Sanders. 3 progressive females became senator. Warmongers and globalists McCain, Graham, Clinton, Pelosi, Reid and Neo cons are history. Sen Harris and Masto are the same caliber as Warren.

I voted Republican, democrat and Independent. I have been an anti establishment voter for a long time. I love the fact that Trump is a bully and is hated as much by republican establishment as well as progressives. The animosity between him and the media is unprecedented. I wanted a cobra in the white house, I also voted in some mongoose in the congress if it ever gets out of line. 100 million or 44% of the eligible voters did not vote. Finally people are waking up. If trump delivers, he will get veto prrof majority in the senate, Pennsylvania and New jersey will have Republican Governers. Time for redistricting is almost here, The big battle is going to be there. Lot of the jerry mandering, taking blacks and poor whites for granted will substantially altered.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
11/14/2016 8:50 am

    Quoting KItkat1415:
    KZoo,
    You expressed yourself beautifully and passionately on this post.
    Don't ever change.
    While I have regained my optimism and will try to find the spot between "NOT MY PRESIDENT" and "MY PRESIDENT"I will work in the system and outside the system to not let the bad things predicted, come to pass.
    It is NOT a done deal,
    Kk
Thank you sweetheart.

I have not regained my optimism. I've read history so I know how this story often turns out.

Something that's bugged the shit out of me over the course of this election cycle is being told that I have to understand how the Trump supporter thinks. That I have to relate to him. I'm told this as if I were from another planet, maybe another solar system, but the fact is the people giving this advice don't know what they're talking about. They don't know who I am. I've spent my entire life with the typical Trump voter. I'm a retired truck driver. I've commiserated with these folks over the losses in their lives and I've been angry alongside them when the corporation reduces their wages, strips their benefits and "downsizes" them. I already understand their anger and frustration because I've felt it too, standing right next to them.

You already know this because I've told you about my own struggle against giving in to anger and despair, and the temptation to take it out on someone who isn't at all responsible for my woes. It's time for some tough love here, with the emphasis on tough. A vote for Trump was the coward's way out, and the path of fools. A brief glance at just who Trump is hiring to run his administration should remove all doubt about what's in store for us as Americans. Our fellow citizens pointed a finger at us and said "Take them first." There's a shit rain coming.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
11/14/2016 8:56 am

    Quoting 08540Tantrafun:
    [image]
    Should see some of the other pics.

    Bill, you and I agree on the solutions that plague our country. But I disagree with you on Trump. The picture above is that of our first lady. When asked about threesomes, his response was "doesn't everybody, have them"?No doubt he is a lout and a vulgarian. His son in law Jarred is an orthodox Jew. His daughter converted to Judaism. He is a narcissist, not a Nazi. He is a New York liberal like Bloomberg pretending to be a Conservative. They play to win. Truman Capote was one of his closest friends. He already put same sex marriage to bed. He said that supreme court already settled it and that's that. End of story. Obama deported 2.8 milion people. He has another 1.9 Mil with criminal record waiting for deportation. He will deport the people on Obama's list and call it a great success.

    I am delighted that he blew up the republican as well as democratic establishment. Had Hillary won, Sanders and Warren would have been just nuisance to be tolerated. Now they are the New Democrats(The establishment). Bush and Clinton dynasty is in a coma. No coronation thanks to Trump and Sanders. 3 progressive females became senator. Warmongers and globalists McCain, Graham, Clinton, Pelosi, Reid and Neo cons are history. Sen Harris and Masto are the same caliber as Warren.

    I voted Republican, democrat and Independent. I have been an anti establishment voter for a long time. I love the fact that Trump is a bully and is hated as much by republican establishment as well as progressives. The animosity between him and the media is unprecedented. I wanted a cobra in the white house, I also voted in some mongoose in the congress if it ever gets out of line. 100 million or 44% of the eligible voters did not vote. Finally people are waking up. If trump delivers, he will get veto prrof majority in the senate, Pennsylvania and New jersey will have Republican Governers. Time for redistricting is almost here, The big battle is going to be there. Lot of the jerry mandering, taking blacks and poor whites for granted will substantially altered.
You're right- we disagree about Trump! He cheapens and demeans us as a people. And I also disagree that he's a New York liberal who plays to win. That asshole is no winner and never has been. Instead of parlaying his daddy's fortune into billions he squandered it and played the bankruptcy courts like a board game. He's a fucking loser. And in the end it'll be the racists and white supremacists who will play him. He's out of his league now.

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lindoboy100 61M
23969 posts
11/14/2016 4:56 pm

    Quoting kzoopair:
    You're right- we disagree about Trump! He cheapens and demeans us as a people. And I also disagree that he's a New York liberal who plays to win. That asshole is no winner and never has been. Instead of parlaying his daddy's fortune into billions he squandered it and played the bankruptcy courts like a board game. He's a fucking loser. And in the end it'll be the racists and white supremacists who will play him. He's out of his league now.
I was looking for the 'like' button for this comment.........seriously..........f'n eejit!!

Aye, it's terrifying, what he will leave in his wake has until this last few years been completely marginalised. No amount of rationalising will ever correct the fact that this fuck has unleashed a terror that will potentially bring us all down. They believe it is time for cleansing, now they have the power to cleanse........


kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
11/14/2016 5:47 pm

    Quoting lindoboy100:
    I was looking for the 'like' button for this comment.........seriously..........f'n eejit!!

    Aye, it's terrifying, what he will leave in his wake has until this last few years been completely marginalised. No amount of rationalising will ever correct the fact that this fuck has unleashed a terror that will potentially bring us all down. They believe it is time for cleansing, now they have the power to cleanse........
Trump and his closest advisors are liars. They've demonstrated over and over that they have no respect for either the truth or other human beings. The ferret wearing fraud has named white nationalist Steve Bannon as his chief strategist and at the same time we're being asked to give Trump a chance. This is chickenshit of the smelliest variety on the part of pundits who are afraid for their jobs and politicians with no spines. We're on our own here. Apologists for Trump are either tainted or fucking stupid. Maybe both. Are we doomed to repeat history yet again? There will be no peace with fascists.

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ranchomongo 70M

11/15/2016 10:48 pm


First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

poem written by Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the cowardice of German intellectuals following the Nazis' rise to power and subsequent purging of their chosen targets, group after group. Many variations and adaptations in the spirit of the original have been published in the English language. It deals with themes of persecution, guilt and responsibility.


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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
11/15/2016 11:04 pm

    Quoting ranchomongo:

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    poem written by Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the cowardice of German intellectuals following the Nazis' rise to power and subsequent purging of their chosen targets, group after group. Many variations and adaptations in the spirit of the original have been published in the English language. It deals with themes of persecution, guilt and responsibility.
I love that quote, Rancho. That is exactly where we are now.

It's good to see you. I've been away for a little while.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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11/16/2016 10:12 pm

    Quoting Discretewizard:
    People will believe what they want to believe. I believe they were wrong.
Thank you, my friend. I think you're right.

This is what loomed in America's future in 1939. They had no idea that their rejection then would be reversed and come to fruit seventy seven years later. America has given in to fear and hatred. Al Qaeda has won. We were warned that they couldn't defeat us, that we'd have to do that ourselves. We just did.

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notspunkycumfun 63M
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11/17/2016 11:25 am

Guess who?!


kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
11/17/2016 1:24 pm

Good to see you comrade! I'll send an email. There is other news.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
11/17/2016 8:58 pm

No, it in't, but we're gonna sustain some damage from losing to this asshole.

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goodatpoetry2 74M
16552 posts
11/18/2016 11:49 am

As long as the American public remains stupid enough to let this happen, it's not going to change.


kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
11/18/2016 12:03 pm

    Quoting goodatpoetry2:
    As long as the American public remains stupid enough to let this happen, it's not going to change.
Only some of the public is that stupid- that's our hope and our salvation. We have to mobilize to stop the fucktards. This meme illustrates exactly what we're up against. We can't afford to fail, no matter what. Our very lives depend on it.

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lookin4funinBC9 63M
1386 posts
12/9/2016 7:33 pm

Really I just don't get it under Obama we have went backwards healthcare is a joke we have seen no growth middle class income has decreased. We have 95 million less jobs than we did in 2008 and the food stamp program has increased by 4.5 million people. If you would just lister to what Trumph says and not listen to the lies in the media you might be educated. But I am sure you will just call me names a say I am bad person. I have went backwards the last 8 years I work 12 hour days and I still have less!!!! The way you feel is the way I felt when Oboma


kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
12/9/2016 8:48 pm

    Quoting lookin4funinBC9:
    Really I just don't get it under Obama we have went backwards healthcare is a joke we have seen no growth middle class income has decreased. We have 95 million less jobs than we did in 2008 and the food stamp program has increased by 4.5 million people. If you would just lister to what Trumph says and not listen to the lies in the media you might be educated. But I am sure you will just call me names a say I am bad person. I have went backwards the last 8 years I work 12 hour days and I still have less!!!! The way you feel is the way I felt when Oboma
Really, all I have to say to you is that you've gotten even less articulate and more incoherent since the last time you visited here, which was to support the campaign of scapegoating and bigotry being waged against a blogger here. I reckon I will add that I'm not a bit surprised that you support Trump. He's a goddam narcissistic fool and you finally have one of your own where you want him. May you live to reap what you have sown, which is intolerance, fear and fascism. If you're going to indulge in drunk typing, at least practice holding your liquor first.

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ranchomongo 70M

12/20/2016 11:42 am

LOL. you sir, seem to have a remarkable talent of drawing ignorant fools to your blog.
although, I think I treat my ignorant fools with more patients than you do..
I give then the praise that they want......
I give them the meat for there potatoes
I give them the ice tea for there lemons..

you on the other hand.. give them a slap on the face and a shake of their shoulders.
seems either way.. we do not do any good with them.
I m thinking the next time they comment. I m just going to let there comment stand. and not reply to it..

I was wondering if that wouldn't work with tRumplestilskin , what if we had a media that wouldn t cover the asshole at all.. Seems he loves to be talked about.
what if he held all these rallies and no media showed at all..
let him put out his shit on twatlle.. what will he reach, 4 ,5 million..
less harm done ...

really love this blog post.. and again thanks for the excellent thoughts and continuity.


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